>> martha: president obama wasn't imposing sanctions at that point, right? >> he had already imposed sanctions. trump saying if you elect me you wouldn't need the sanctions. >> martha: let's talk a little bit about the back channels she was trying to establish and whether or not from your reporting she was able to really get anywhere with that. part of the investigation is whether or not there was funneling of money. in my mind, she is sort of like the human expression of a bot or a tweet or all the other efforts that they made. she is a much more traditional expression of that. in fact, over the last decade they have arrested 20 spies who have been doing exactly what she was trying to do. >> right. she was -- as we write in the book, she surprised a lot of people because she kept showing up at nra conventions, at cpac conferences, at national prayer breakfasts and there were a number of people who kept