apparently, they are just to get back at us if we question them. he said that, not drum. >> there is another part of trump skepticism which is that he believes this is sort of a plot by obama. this has all happened during the obama administration. he feels there are certain elements of the intelligence community that are out to get him. we should say, on the left, we believe the theories are much simpler, that trump really did collude or that vladimir putin has something on him. >> laura: bill kristol, george will, all of these old republicans, some of them neoconservatives, they are enjoying this moment because they hated the fact that trump proved them all wrong and won the election. >> i think it's funny. at the left has these people on a leash. they simple he have to shout russia and with pavlovian response, all these guys will go into a patriotic flair. here is the point. we know that obama colluded with russia when they basically told him, i when the american people