about is why immigration enforcement exists and why does i.c.e. exist? there are two operations. enforcement force and then investigators. even agents say we want to abolish i.c.e. because it takes away from investigating the transnational gangs. who wants to deport a college student or a day laborer that is working in your house or your viewers' house? that is the conversation to talk about. the real is about the immigration reform to secure the border and provide path to citizenship for immigrants. >> brian: but what isikoff is doing is enforcing -- what i.c.e. is doing is enforcing the laws on the book. so if you are here and skip out on a hearing or going through the legal process, and i.c.e. comes across you, should they walk away? >> just as a state trooper driving 70 miles per hour on 50 miles per hour lets him go and pursues those speeding 100 miles per hour. there is discretion. the state troopers cannot