likely 2020 front runner. i don't think it's going to be elizabeth warren. i don't think it's going to be bernie sanders. joe biden is not going to resurrect the amtrak express. hillary is not going to be with the scooby mobile. it's going to be someone like kamala harris. mr. duffy, you know kamala harris. what about her versus barack obama? are they of the same epic starlike quality for the democrats? >> well, of the fact that saying this because their ethnicity is similar in terms of being biracial, they are obviously both of the democratic party. they are very strong candidates that they come from different beginnings and different origin origins. kamala's background was steeped in local politics first, then the district attorney's office and a large county in californi california. and then became the state attorney general before becoming a senator. barack obama's background was much more grassroots, working with organizations before he came onto the political stage