neem, who's now a friend of both of ours, since retired, left one station, which he referred to as his ex-wife, and moved to a bigger station. now i'm on that station, ironically, wusb. the big break, was fox news going on the air. then that led to wabc, roger aeles and phil boyce. i'm friends with every person that hired me. they all critique me to this day. if i'm doing something they don't like, sludgo is saying, shut up, let 'em talk. i'm getting p.d.s. but they care. i actually prefer the criticism rather than the compliment. that makes you better. >> mark: you're one of the few people who have been able to do radio and tv. actually, the only one i know. couple of decades now. no, no, no. you've done it for a couple of decades. >> sean: 23 years. >> mark: 23 years.