controversial in some cases but he was an amazing justice in so many other ways. scott, you clerked for justice kennedy. i think about when justice thomas for whom i clerked retired, it's a wistful moment. what are your thoughts? >> it is the end of an era on the supreme court and it's hard to imagine the supreme court without justice anthony kennedy up there. this was a justice who, when he was nominated and confirmed under president reagan, he had seen all sorts of various issues even up to this current day with the travel ban case. he voted against all of obamacare. he had the abortion cases. but he also voted to uphold the federal partial-birth abortion ban. justice kennedy, while he was controversial at times in some circles, was truly a reagan republican. >> laura: we think of kennedy, when i went into the court, it was right after webster. he flipped his vote. it was a big deal. nevertheless, that era is over