american people driving up the cost of our products, the government get the money. not like some industry gets the money, the government gets a money. if a country wants to do it to its own people why, should we do it to our people? >> that's right. it's a form of a tax. you look at the headlines, the u.s. is going to impose tariffs on china. not on china -- mark: we're going to get to china, you and i may disagree. let's talk about our allies. >> we're going to tax steel from canada or europe. that's not a tax on them, they don't pay the tax, we can't impose a tax on the foreign company. the american companies who import it into the u.s. pay the tax and pass it along in the form of higher prices to american consumers and american companies to use that as an input. mark: is there any question really that we're talking about special interest protectionism with tariffs in many cases, whether it's the steel industry or the aluminum industry and these are people, just being blunt about, their unions have