doing that to protect their dairy markets. does that help us, hurt us? does it help them, hurt them? >> in general, as a country canada's tariffs are lower than america. more of a free market trading nation than the u.s. but if we look at a specific example, and, if the u.s., we pay twice the world price of sugar. mark: as a matter of fact, you once wrote that we have 12,000 tariffs in place on all kinds of products all across the board from all kinds of countries. taxing the american people for all kinds of products that we use every day. >> yeah, and including the 25% tariff that started in the 60s with what's called a chicken tax. we have a 25% tariff on imported pickup trucks. so that gives gm and ford and chrysler, 83% market share of that very valuable market, more than half the vehicles sold are truck, so they get the production. mark: does that mean the cost is higher for the american