charles put together both of those things. he became someone who was known for being on tv and doing that dance that you just described, that great, intellectual dance of pulling his stuff together. and, so many people across the country were able to see him and watch him as he put it all together out there. and i think, you know, that made him a star, as brett humes said, in a somewhat unlikely way. but he really was. all of us, anyone of us, he was always on "special report." whenever i had a mama show coming whenever he was going to be on the panel for a political convention, it was a treat. it was special. people who watched, looked forward to seeing him so much. i also think that he was able to put together the human side of life, and have an appreciation for family and sports, and all of those things that he talked about and things that matter.