is too much deference sometimes. the media is too excited to use this against republican politicians. howie: i think turning to black magic is not a good look. cathy, i want to talk about the fallout of robert de niro saying this at the tony award. >> i'm going to say one thing [bleep] trump. [cheers and applause] howie: it's almost like he's a caricature of a hollywood liberal and comes out with crude things to say. no sophisticated analysis. is that because the award show are routine for trump bashing? cathy: de niro used to be so quiet you would call him shy. it seems like with the trump