the early days of this russian investigation. the question is where does it go now? rudy guliani saying we're not going to cooperate moving forward. we're not going to talk to mueller because of exactly what we're seeing in this report. >> they're going to try it. they're definitely going to try to use this as a means to not participate. we're going to try to use this as their excuse to not do it. the president's former campaign chairman is going to jail today because he -- the judge found that he tampered with witnesses, that he was breaking the rules. we have a lot of rule-breaking going on in washington. a lot of people not respecting the process, not respecting the rule of law. we have a lot of people doing the wrong things. in this case, you have a circumstance where james comey, mccabe, his deputy or mccabe, his counter part, you have these two fbi agents, others that are saying well, we have to circumvent the system. we have to draw outside the lines here because we need to