people. there has been a long-standing view of the presidents of both parties. a country that does not trust a citizen does not respect the rights of its own citizens will not respect the rights of his neighbors. clearly, north korea is really the worst human rights abuser to his own people and americans who have been unfortunate enough to travel there and be taken hostage. japanese who have been held hostage there for decades. in the back of your mind is important to remember this is still a very evil regime. >> how does the president of the united states deal with this regime? >> you basically cannot trust their word. they have to judge them based on their actions. the secretary of state has said it has not done a lot of press but is very telling. talked with kim more than any american. kim may be contemplating a very different path. if they choose the path it will not just be this will be a broader liberalization, a broader engagement with the world on economics. it could then lead to some breakdown in the prison state that they run. >> today because it is a different generation with kim then his grandfather and father, he sees the rest of the world, he watches media.he knows how the rest of the world