distinction. the american public realizes that she works for us. so does the president. >> shepard: so does he. >> yes. we're paying their sally. so how does this shake out? why? pressure from the mue igation continues to mount. this is like a siege engine rolling up to the castle. you imagine him sort of attacking sessions because of that frustration. you imagine him speaking this way about the eagles to try to make this a patriotic issue when it's not. you can argue just as effectively that the eagles are being reportsful of the constitution, which the president suggested they weren'ts being, but speaking their mind and by engaging in issues that are difficult in the united states to talk about. racism, police brutality, you name it. that's what this is really about. it's not about not respecting the military and not respecting the flag. >> shepard: if this is an effect to get the people not to trust the institutions which are the