what of this? i mean, initially the president was involved in the response of his son, now apparently he dictated his response. >> there is an inconsistency that rudy was pointing out there that doesn't mean there is a lie. it simply means there is an inconsistency. exhibit a for a while you do not fall into the democratic trap of even opening up this issue is general flynn that we just spoke about. there could be a question posed a while without the significance being down, then all of a sudden it turns into a major federal crime because there was a witch hunt going on. i think that's what it is issue not a great thing, but it is important to clean it up, hopefully his current counsel is giving him the correct advice on how to do that. >> laura: vibrant, we don't have enough time, but this is w. smiling off on all the pardons. >> the position was it was not a lie. but if it was a lie, it's only to "the new york times," and that's not a lie. >> laura: they lie to us all the time and that does not really matter.