>> dana: and juan had a week off. >> kimberly: so exhausted from winning. >> juan: the the thing that get me is the immigration stuff. >> jesse: we will get to that. kimberly, the pardon situation. legally that might've been some gamesmanship. looks like he got set up, rudy giuliani, on the question i didn't really know what to say. how do you see the pardon thing playing out? >> kimberly: you look at the nuance there. it poses an interesting constitutional question. can that president pardon himself? then he followed up with a tweet saying he can. maybe he spoke to someone at said you're safe to go ahead and tweet that. but you don't want to get to that point, right, you don't want to suggest that would be necessary. you would say okay, i have done nothing wrong so i don't even have to get to the question of whether or not i can pardon myself. because there will be nothing on the merits to suggest any kind of criminality on my part. that's the messaging i would