is not going to be subpoenaed and should not be, so if he's not a target, why did they have to send this letter? >> [laughter] well i agree with you, right? so this is the difference, so mr. gowdy believes that he's been told by the department of justice on several occasions that mr. trump's not he's not part of this; however i don't think that's the case here i just think that it's impossible to believe in normal america, if you open up into the trump campaign, you absolutely are opening up into donald trump himself. that's my opinion. mr. gowdy doesn't think so. he's a lawyer, he's worked with doj, i don't know whose right