they can retroactively analyze all the data on everyone in the campaign. >> jesse: now clapper, as we all remember, one of the top intelligence chiefs under president barack obama has been doing the rounds on television, and he the whole spying thing, kind of. >> i think he is deliberately spending a narrative, whereby he is the victim of the deep state spying on him or spying on a campaign, which is not the case. that's what i would call my informed opinion, that given the massive effort that the russians made in the number of citizens that they touched, to me, it exceeds logic and credulity that they didn't affect the election. and it's my belief they actually turned it. >> so i ask you, was the fbi spying on trump's campaign? >> know they were not. they were spying -- a term i don't particularly like but,