it'll sound better in spanish. enrique acevedo is an anchor for univision, and he joins us now. enrique, you seem like a reasonable person. how did you wind up with the group in the media defending ms-13? did you ever think you'd be there? >> i don't think any human being is an animal, tucker. but i'm not here to defend criminals nor should anyone else. >> tucker: ooh, yes, you are. >> if you are for law and order, i don't think degrading anyone to less than human serves that purpose. you would expect the president of the united stateses to speak to our highest ideals and not just our worst instincts. >> tucker: just to put this in some context, here are a couple recent headlines about ms-13. ms-13 gangs stabbed a man 100 times, decapitated him and ripped out his heart, police say. ms-13 beat sex-traffic girlan with a bat 28 times. ms-13 members in satanic shrinei kidnapped, drugged, and raped a 14-year-old houston girl. i could go on. when you hear those people described as animals, you get offended. n why? why would people who do that