the war and getting back at war and this is about the people who didn't stand up and say, who today say it was immoral who back then didn't say it was immoral. >> although the president said at campaign, he made clear that he had subsequent conversations with secretary mattis. >> he does change his mind. >> she's now on the record, let's agree -- she's now said i will abide the law of the united states of america and i will not do anything that's immoral even if it is technically allowed confirm her. >> well you know something, they do immoral stuff every day of the week, i'm not sure how important that is. there's a separate category which is torture but for the rest of it, i found it a little bit of a everybody was doing posturing when they said, no, no, the head spy will never do anything immoral which what they do blackmail, extort and steal secrets every day of the week. >> in the interest of the united states. >> which makes it moral.