>> i would not allow cia to undertake activity that i thought was immoral even if it was technically legal, i would absolutely not permit it. chris: president trump's nominee to lead the cia gina haspel facing tough questioning at confirmation hearing about the agency's use of harsh interrogation after 9/11 and we are back now with the panel. i want to play a little bit more about what haspel told congress this week. >> after 9/11, i department look to go sit on the swiss desk, i stepped up, i was not on the sideline. i was on the front lines in the cold war and i was on the front lines in the fight against al-qaeda. chris: karl, what do you think of the approach from most of the democrats how people acted during the crisis after 9/11 or after the crisis of 9/11 as to