the u.s. they accuse the cleric of also being involved with an attempted coup within the last couple of years. it sounds like he is being used for politics at this point. is there any other way to read this case? >> absolutely. from the beginning, on october 7th, 2016, wouldn't pastor brunson was arrested, we knew that there was probably some political plan on this, and president erdogan has now twice publicly demanded a swap of the two, the cleric in pennsylvania, for pastor brunson. pastor brunson has been used as a bargaining chip and a political pawn. he's innocent united states american citizen who is being held hostage in turkey in turkey. >> shannon: not long ago, we had two centers on the show work on this case. democrat jeanne shaheen and republican james lankford, who are both working on this. trying to put together a sanctions package. this is what senator shaheen had to say when she was with us.