day was the senior manager, john mccain was credited with being the leader of that. and in fact, on march 19th they took 36 of us out, we honestly thought we were being taken out to be executed and john mccain made a joke about it. a man who can volunteer to die for religious freedom, that's what it was and make a joke about it is really a top guy. i hold him almost the same status as james stockdale. >> laura: wow. to just hear the stories. >> he wouldn't go home. they said to him go home, but because -- in terms of being captured, he refused and so they beat him for it. those that are critical of him because they don't like how he has voted on certain issues, who among us in this studio would give our legs, arms, our body, our lives? >> laura: he also said i think at one time, i was a p.o.w. but