of state pompeo had met with kim jong-un and you still had positive actions from kim coming out after that. it was wasn't going in the opposite direction, it was going in a forward direction. so this is to be expected. it's very positive news. >> melissa: and what do you make of he's saying we're hoping to have positive news on the story about the three americans that are being held as well, airie fliescher was on the air saying not to get too excited about this but this is one of the things, one of the pawns that north korea use as lot. although obviously we'd love to see americans come home. >> well, i think the best move that kim could do is release them prior to any negotiation to start building a bank of good behavior. he has a long bank of bad behavior, the president made clear that there will not be row ward for bad behavior. and so if he wants to build positive set of conditions, this might be a way to do that.