here we are talking about it. >> tucker: you ran the association when obama was president. >> yeah. >> tucker: what would happen to you personally if a comedian had attacked obama? >> i thought about this for many long hours and i called conan o'brien because i think is very talented but also because i knew he had to face his audience on monday. i remember when michael jordan said years ago that he wouldn't endorse a democrat in a big senate race against jesse helms because he said republicans buy sneakers too? conan o'brien may lean left, but he knows that republicans buy sneakers too and republicans watch late-night tv. before the kamals of the world in this anti-trump business, someone like conan o'brien had a face his audience monday night and be fair, take on the president but the fair. i thought if i pick somebody who got up there and get did some of these kind of jokes we saw saturday night and ripped president obama in a very personal, negative way, fox and the white house correspondents association would've paid a heavy price. >> tucker: the civil rights division of the justice department would open a investigation -- ed, thank you for that perspective.