refreshing and having no purchase on pop culture. the fact is, we are not really excited. it's not so much the excitement from our end. it's the fact that kanye is a sick of being told what to thin think. the celebrity supporters are getting smaller and smaller and smaller. and a self-respecting man like this guy is, he doesn't want to be put in that box. he wants to bust out of that bo box. >> tucker: are you saying art is not the same thing as conformity? >> i am. oddly enough, it's strange because we're going on about how transgressive we are. we need transgressive artists and then they demand that all of the artists improve the ideolog ideology. in a way, it's obvious