catastrophe. he's the first president to include emp in protecting the electric grid and other life-sustaining critical infrastructures from emp. moreover, numerous meetings between the emp commission and the national security council and talked about making emp part of the plans to modernize the critical infrastructure. so the difference between the trump administration and the obama administration is night and day. mark: you meet with the obama national security council. >> they never let us. mark: for eight years? >> no. they never met with the commission, and they weren't interested in implementing. in fact there was a general government accountability office report done in 2015 that showed 0 of the emp recommendations were implemented by the obama administration. not a single one. mark: this commission was created by congress, it's a legitimate commission. >> yes, of course, and the whole purpose of commissions