125 to $250 billion a year. >> that's right. mark: 2 to $3 billion a year, that's mustard money for the federal government. >> i agree. mark: i'm not talking down the money, as far as the federal government goes, that's a pittance, is there a reason that's not slipped into the omnibus bills? >> yes, the electric power industry doesn't want to do anything against the emp, and they have very deep pockets, they own half of k street. they lobby against bills. there's also -- mark: why wouldn't they? it would destroy the entire industry. >> i know. mark: don't believe it will happen? >> they are not experts on emp, okay? and they don't see their jobs in their right as being national and homeland security, they see that as the job of the federal government and also want to have a regulatory environment such as exists now where in effect the electric power industry last critical