now, and in all seriousness, you think of otto war warmbier and the lives adversely impacted over the years, as a result of that absence of leadership, the failure to have this kind of a maximum pressure campaign that shows that the military option of the dying principle, diplomacy, military economics. kim jong un knows that the military option is real. this fantastic news, a lot of great developments, however, we have to be cautious, we have to keep that strategy off of maximum pressure. we have to put kim jong un to the test right away to make sure that this continues to stay real. we shouldn't be waiting until meeting three. and the president has a great team. it's only getting better. so hopefully it's successful. abby: sign that engagement and direct talk actually can lead to something positive. your thoughts on mike pompeo. because he is most recently been to north korea, meeting with kim jong un. the question is can he get through confirmation to be the next secretary of state? he is he a big part of what