talked, about ed, someone gets their foot in the country. the current -- before this new memorandum, you could be released for a couple of years and then expected to voluntarily appear back oftentimes which doesn't happen. there is a de facto non-policy. this catch and release policy, it also the memorandum says that dhs has to submit a report to this president within 45 days about how they are going to do it. if you are catching and not releasing, that means you are holding while they get their day in court or review of asylum or whatever they're trying to do. ed: u.s. taxpayers are paying to keep the folks who are here illegally detained, fed, all the rest of it. pete: a lot of people will point out we are also paying for a lot of the welfare benefits of illegals that come here and stay as well. the cost benefit thing is a little murky. if you are paying to deport them, that's a different thing. second issue is zero tolerance. right now you have made this point, abby. we didn't have our arms around what these policies really were. abby: i don't think so the majority of american people fully understood pause they