to have a wall. if you don't want to send the people there, allen, you don't believe the national guard serves a function there, which could be a legitimate argument, wouldn't you say it's time for a border wall? we have to do something. >> absolutely touch do something. and the ways to stem the problem is to look at technology. if people are just there to look and observe, that's something we do with iphones, cameras, something we can do with trip wires. there is no n need to have a hun person to look and watch what happens. >> iphones and trip wires are not a wall. they are not a beautiful 30-foot border wall that is an obstacle that keeps people from coming across the border. >> if you understand what the national guard can do, you hear the plan that doesn't exist as the governor of oregon said,