diversity rules you're calling for here? theyre shouldn't take the people who score the highest on the pilot test, but they should hire also on appearance, the way people look. >> every workplace -- >> tucker: t surgeons, too? >> everyone should hire the best, but place a premium on diversity. >> tucker: the way you look or what you're capable of doing? when you were flying a plane, how important is it, what you look like? >> incredibly important. it's also important that we place a premium on diversity. the fact that -- >> tucker: diversity means appearance, it means what you look like. it's theal shallowest possible criteria. it's literally your shade. that is what you are saying. by set more important than talent? >> you know what matters, what matters is that you are my daughters and my black sons can turn on the tv and see an administration that reflects the diversity of our country. gender diversity, racial diversity, ethnic diversity -- >> tucker: really? what matters to me is that the