some sort of magical sale program kicked in. neil: really? charles: yeah, 700 points began at 2:01 thursday and then another 500 points, 550 points and i think wall street is trying to send washington a message. i think wall street is trying to bully the white house. listen to what darrel issa said i love what he just said. this is a man by the way a self- made millionaire because he was in this industry. you remember "step away from the car"? darrel issa so that was his business, his company was ripped off left and ride. neil: so you think wall street is trying to force the president to back off? charles: absolutely. neil: that sounds crazy. charles: i know it does but listen if you watched each session from each of these market sessions we were up 150 points yesterday. why did a sell-off 550 points into the close? we were actually up -- neil: didn't it accelerate a little bit on reports the president was going to veto the spending measure into charles: that was in the morning i'm