two days ago -- >> laura: he wrote the textbook on ethics. >> he created the field. yes, he did. >> he was my student, and i'm so proud to have had him as one of my students in my legal ethics class 30 or 40 years ago. he was a great, great man and a great contributor to legal ethics and totally neutral, totally objective. always called it the way it should be called. a great man. >> laura: incredible. his textbooks, law school, i mean -- amazing. congressman duffy, reflecting on that for a moment. setting aside whether donald trump being involved and hillary being involved. we as americans have to have faith in our government, especially with a strong potentially devastating effects of a prosecution and an investigation and surveillance of american citizens that our