we have no evidence of collusion, we have turned up nothing. >> ed: so schiff says that's not true, he says there is significant evidence of collusion, he talks about george papadopoulos, talks about the secret meeting at trump tower, he wrong? >> yeah, that's not collusion. >> ed: what is it? >> first of all, papadopoulos, if you believe that, we're still trying to get to the bottom of what really happened there, because last time i checked, it's okay for americans to get drunk at a bar in london. >> ed: could get a lot of people in trouble. >> he was mouthing off to an australian diplomat, that's all we know right now. so that is not -- that's not colluding with russia. if you take the trump tower meeting, is it smart to take a trump tower meeting with russians or any meeting with russians, probably not, not a good idea. >> ed: but it's not collusion? >> there's no evidence.