he wasn't communicating with the people underneath him. whether he had best or worst people around it wasn't effective model. have you heard the same thing. >> i have. the bottom line again is i work for colin powell who was a great secretary of state. whatever else people think. and he created buy in. he brought the foreign service officers together with the politicals together with the civil servants and have you got to do that. you also can't be captured by the bureaucracy. in many ways i think tillerson maybe was a little more tentative. he had been a number one in his world at exxon and it's hard to be a number two or three or four and then to management it's tricky. steve: bobby, it's one thing to disagree with your boss behind closed doors but he was very open in the fact that he and the president were not on the same page. >> you are absolutely right. you owe it to the president to give him your best opinions behind closed doors and then when that is said and done, the president has made a decision, you salute smartly and you go execute that decision which was problematic for him. brian: word is in the next one to go could be the v.a.