from what nunberg said, there might have been some working against. it was interesting to watch it play out. before i let you go, the white house, they have come back, they reiterated some things. they played this kind of on the low key. as an attorney, i would think that would be something you would like. >> yes. first of all, nunberg is not a big fish in the situation. he's a minor fish. if you're an attorney, just comply. don't go to the media. >> harris: i'm sure he tried. thanks, john. appreciate your time. >> thanks, harris. >> harris: paul ryan is pushing back against the president's tariffs on steel and aluminum imports. the president says he's not going to back down. we'll talk to the chairman of the finance committee were republicans will take action or if there's something they like about the plan.