can't run against something successfully. there has to be a dynamic person in front. perhaps less so in the local races where there's a few choices and you're talking about battling back against the larger scene. in terms of democrats going forward, i mean obviously this goes for both parties. republicans had this party forever. you need that magnetic personality out front who is there to inspire people. that's the problem that they've always had. >> the nail on the head for the book that hillary clinton wrote, "what happened?" >> still don't know. >> if you peel away the politics and the fact that the dnc was -- if you put it all aside, you have the dynamic personality with bernie sanders against someone that i've even heard democrats describe as not as exciting to be kind about that. speaks to the issue of post trump. whether it's a devil term for him or not what will republicans do? he's a dynamic personality.