that this is something that he can use. connell: if you were advising, would you advise him to have car vouch, there won't be car, types of steel or just across the board the way the president seems and i say seems because we haven't seen the policy yet seems as he proposes this week? >> the tariff when president obama applied certain steel tariffs against china. connell: right. >> they ran party through third-party nations and still came to the u.s. and it didn't have any meaningful impact, but using blanket tariff it gets around the problem but i do believe in the long run that we will exactly see that trade for negotiation that you'll see certain car to some nation in exchange for them giving us something to us.