titled hate wins. governor huckabee joins me now. good to see you, governor. you know. >> thank you, martha. >> martha: you white about the impact of music on your life and i would imagine that's what led you to want to be part of this organization that helped to spread the art to children who maybe wouldn't be able to enjoy them otherwise. >> absolutely, martha. without music as a child, i wouldn't be talking to you today. i would be eking out a living trying to pay rent on the little rent house in southern arkansas. to mere, this was about continuing something that i have been doing for decades. that's using every means available to try to put musical instruments in the hands of kids in public schools. did i that as a governor. we created mandates for music and art education for every student k through 12. that's why i was invited on the board. it had nothing to do with my politics or my faith. i didn't bring either one of those tout board. but obviously it made some people unhappy. this is the world we live in today. and it's unfortunate but i don't want to be a distraction for the cma