decided that their lawyer was perhaps not serving monica as ably as was wise. >> so by early june 1998, ginsberg was out. >> there never would have been an in-person proffer with monica lewinsky if she hadn't got new attorneys. >> less than two months later, on july 27th, prosecutors secretly met with monica and her legal team at the new york city apartment of ken starr's mother-in-law. >> the purpose of the meeting in new york was really twofold -- first, to determine whether or not monica was going to be truthful. >> the second purpose was to determine how far she would go, because she could be truthful but not tell us everything that she knew. >> monica was nervous. you know, this -- this had been a very rough time after a number of false starts and with the whole world glaring down on her. >> monica, during that session, was, uh...