more tangential. one thing is safe to say, if you look at what mueller and his team have done to date, it's impressive. they're moving at light speed, putting together sophisticated cases, not just this but the manafort case and the flynn matter as well. and they're moving forward. this is a north south indictment and they're going forward. >> shepard: from all that i have read, it is absolutely certain, according to the indictment, that thousands and thousands of you that went to rallies across this nation in support of, in opposition to, if you went to rallies across this nation, many of those rallies, jeffery, were not set up by americans. they were set up by russians. promoted by russians, advertised by russians, paid for by russians and americans came to yell at each other at the russian -- at russian manipulation. >> if it wasn't so tragic, could