>> bill: thank you. kevin corke. if there's more news, we'll bring you back this hour. i want to bring in joe colvern about the criticism of chief of staff, john kelly. good day to you, joe. where more have you picked up where the west wing is on this at the moment? >> this has been a day of kind of finger pointing back and forth and new questions about who knew what and when. as you mentioned earlier on the shope, there's still questions about when chief of staff john kelly learned the full details of what happened here and also when don mcgann was brought in to the loop. our reporting shows that there were four different occasions in which mcgann was informed of some type of allegations against rob porter. that includes a phone call from -- we heard a lot about these two ex-wives. there's a former girlfriend of rob porter that called up mcgann herself and said hey, you need to take these allegations seriously. so what we're working to do now is to try to piece together when