crazy. the thing is, if you listen, if they could bear it, if they can listen to his podcast or view a speech on youtube, he's really not that controversial. and he is pretty fair. on the one hand, on the other hand, this is where i come down on it. it's not what milo does in any way. >> brian: let's say you listen to ben shapiro and you don't agree, you might survive. >> jesse: you are going to be okay. therapy makes these people even snow flake year. we did a story the other day with a llama on watters' world. people get stressed and want to pet an animal. watters' world would like to officially endorse the ben shapiro podcast. i listened to it for the first time today on the treadmill. he speaks faster than brian kilmeade so it makes you run faster. but he's not a fire breather. if you think ben shapiro is back back, wait until you hear some of the other guys on talk radio.