is going to be about setting conditions for the follow-up. is that another conversation that takes place, is it done through people who are at the cabinet level representing each of the countries, is it bilateral? if you want to have a first phone call without any preconditions, we have to understand our expectations are low. if you want to have further progress it's going to be a conversation about setting conditions for a follow-up interaction. >> harris: it so interesting to get your point of view on this because at first blush you may think has this console political that republicans and democrats can't come together. it doesn't sound like there's that kind of divide that you may be able to go someplace for. the big question is what is the president willing to do that you know of? >> the president sounds like someone who may want to give this try, it sounds like he may