bill of love that you, the president and your administration can back? >> the four pillars, a permanent fix for the current daca recipients. working on border security that i can say more about in a moment. it is moving towards ending chain migration. and it is certainly eliminating the lottery. i think the love part is the president feeling his compassion for the daca recipients. he has been clear on that. he wants to find a permanent fix but he is also very clear the way to do that is we must increase border security and close the loopholes so we don't end up here again in two or three years with another population that we are concerned about. >> sandra: we know you are adamant about that wall as much as the president. we've seen you walking down there on the border and we've seen you standing in front of the prototypes. when you hear democrats so firmly against that, what are they getting wrong, secretary? >> well, i'm a little confounded by that, i'll be honest. the wall works.