if colin kaepernick and others spoken in that vein, they would be tremendously popular. instead they took a knee. they hurt themselves. >> which brings us to the president, he does have a way of bringing up things, not nuance, not subtle, and it's direct. if part of leadership is getting -- stop it, is getting people is being able to get people to talk about what you want them to talk about, he can sure do that. there was something deep and important going on in that debate, right, about america about, patriotism? >> the president's initiative should be 90/10 in his favor and turns it 45 into his favor because he made it too divisive and strident. he's right, you should always stand for the national anthem but the people taking a knee are not -- they're not bad people. >> i keep thinkingly of villanueva. >> under the first amendment you have the right to do the