think the governor the knowledge that. lea: do agree with david? are there certain requirements for granting pardons? >> i do, absolutely. david is right. governor has a very rigorous system where he examines each case individually and in both instances they had a receive a certificate of rehabilitation which indicated that by all accounts they are living lawful lives in the united states so there's a very simply and a lot of merit to the pardon. lea: can you help us understand the legal pathway now for each of these individuals? they were supposed to be deported from what i understand on monday and now they are not being deported so what would be the next step legally? >> for these two cases you're talking about the cases now have to be reopened in the immigration court and it's not a slamdunk that they will be able to stay here the fact of the matter is the idea that the felony is now gone and it's now not an automatic deportation, now the court will weigh all the factors in deciding whether or