asia and then to go beyond that. the things they're doing in other parts of the world. russia is much weaker than china, but russia is not, as president obama thought, a country with which we can get along if we just reset relations because we have loads of common interests. keep in mind that both russia, china and i would say iran as well, these were all in history great empires. paul right. >> they all are angry they are not great empires again, and they intend to be great empires again. and they have various means and strategies to get to that. we have to recognize that and not think that we can just sing "kumbaya" and all get along. paul: well, and i should mention the strategy does say, look, we can deal with these countries. it's not as if we're implacably hostile to them, but you need to address, in fact, the challenge they pose, and we need to do so from a position of strength including the military buildup which i have to say so far we haven't seen very much of. so that's why i want to ask you about the connection between rhetoric and policy.