money for anything but entitle ments and deficit spending nothing else. dagen: well check i want to bring up your brethren from the top of this segment. i'm not sure how he gets to that north of $2 trillion. maybe he's factoring in some of these tax cuts don't expire but that ain't how the law is written. >> well you know what's interesting in washington d.c., if you've got a lobbyist or a team of lobbyists this tax bill is pretty good for you because your lobbyists have been working hard for you. back to gary b.'s point about the debt i've spent this whole week in south florida and the rates on those have gone up because the national parks don't have no money but we have enough money to give all these tax cuts to these corporations. now if it stimulates the economy i'll be the first one to jump on the stool and talk about it as a small businessman but i think we can walk and chew gum at the same time and we should be doing things that helps everybody instead of just a few. dagen: jonas, here is one thing. we will never close the annual budget deficit unless we grow