where the rye crime areas, they are trying these types of ideas. by the way, these things never work. these corroboration don't turn in their guns. steve: the buy back programs? >> yeah. the buy back programs don't work. what they do send up bringing in these guns that don't work. pete: criminals don't turn in their guns ultimately. the mayor says we can't incarcerate our way out of this situation. it doesn't sound like buy back programs have been effective either. >> not at all. the sad part about that is that comment that we can't incarcerate. you know, you are exactly right. don't put everybody in prison. but how about we actually do reforms societal reforms that keeps fathers in their homes and creates economic opportunity for some of these youngsters? steve: all right. kevin jackson today joining us from phoenix. kevin, have a good weekend. pete: appreciate it. steve: have a good weekend. >> do you. steve: a man is accused of posing as a decorated veteran. there he is right there.

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